From @jimav

This is a bug report for perl from jim.avera@​gmail.com,
generated with the help of perlbug 1.40 running under perl 5.26.2.

The pod for Devel​::Peek contains many illustrations of references
where the RV value is different than the "at ..." address of the
referenced thing. For example​:

"A reference to a simple scalar

  use Devel​::Peek;
  $a = 42;
  $b = \$a;
  Dump $b;

  The output​:
  SV = IV(0xf041c) at 0xbe9a0
  REFCNT = 1
  FLAGS = (ROK)
  RV = 0xbab08
  SV = IV(0xbe860) at 0xbe9a8 ### Not the same as 0xbab08 !?!
  REFCNT = 2
  FLAGS = (IOK,pIOK)
  IV = 42

This confused me mightly because the examples consistently showed
different values for RV and the referenced SV address, which contradicted
my notions of what bits are stored in the IV of a reference.

I had to download the perl source code and root around in it for
a while, eventually coming to Perl_do_sv_dump() which, I think,
proves that my original notions were correct. It was a lot of work
but very educational and ultimately worthwhile.

Still, those examples in the Devel​::Peek pod cast darkness rather than light
because the sample addresses are inconsistent (RV can never be different
than the referenced-SV address). It would be great if the examples were
updated so the next person traveling this path will not be confused as I was.

Of course, I may well be missing something fundamental and/or mis-reading
the code in Perl_do_sv_dump(); in that case maybe the pod could mention
under what circumstances those values might be different.

Thanks,
-Jim

Flags​:
  category=library
  severity=low
  module=Devel​::Peek

Site configuration information for perl 5.26.2​:

Configured by Ubuntu at Mon Nov 19 15​:05​:42 UTC 2018.

Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 26 subversion 2) configuration​:
 
  Platform​:
  osname=linux
  osvers=4.9.0
  archname=x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  uname='linux localhost 4.9.0 #1 smp debian 4.9.0 x86_64 gnulinux '
  config_args='-Dusethreads -Duselargefiles -Dcc=x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -Dcpp=x86_64-linux-gnu-cpp -Dld=x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -Dccflags=-DDEBIAN -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -O2 -fdebug-prefix-map=/build/perl-6mb423/perl-5.26.2=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Dldflags= -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro -Dlddlflags=-shared -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro -Dcccdlflags=-fPIC -Darchname=x86_64-linux-gnu -Dprefix=/usr -Dprivlib=/usr/share/perl/5.26 -Darchlib=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.26 -Dvendorprefix=/usr -Dvendorlib=/usr/share/perl5 -Dvendorarch=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.26 -Dsiteprefix=/usr/local -Dsitelib=/usr/local/share/perl/5.26.2 -Dsitearch=/usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.26.2 -Dman1dir=/usr/share/man/man1 -Dman3dir=/usr/share/man/man3 -Dsiteman1dir=/usr/local/man/man1 -Dsiteman3dir=/usr/local/man/man3 -Duse64bitint
-Dman1ext=1 -Dman3ext=3perl -Dpager=/usr/bin/sensible-pager -Uafs -Ud_csh -Ud_ualarm -Uusesfio -Uusenm -Ui_libutil -Ui_xlocale -Uversiononly -DDEBUGGING=-g -Doptimize=-O2 -dEs -Duseshrplib -Dlibperl=libperl.so.5.26.2'
  hint=recommended
  useposix=true
  d_sigaction=define
  useithreads=define
  usemultiplicity=define
  use64bitint=define
  use64bitall=define
  uselongdouble=undef
  usemymalloc=n
  default_inc_excludes_dot=define
  bincompat5005=undef
  Compiler​:
  cc='x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc'
  ccflags ='-D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DDEBIAN -fwrapv -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64'
  optimize='-O2 -g'
  cppflags='-D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DDEBIAN -fwrapv -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include'
  ccversion=''
  gccversion='8.2.0'
  gccosandvers=''
  intsize=4
  longsize=8
  ptrsize=8
  doublesize=8
  byteorder=12345678
  doublekind=3
  d_longlong=define
  longlongsize=8
  d_longdbl=define
  longdblsize=16
  longdblkind=3
  ivtype='long'
  ivsize=8
  nvtype='double'
  nvsize=8
  Off_t='off_t'
  lseeksize=8
  alignbytes=8
  prototype=define
  Linker and Libraries​:
  ld='x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc'
  ldflags =' -fstack-protector-strong -L/usr/local/lib'
  libpth=/usr/local/lib /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/8/include-fixed /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib/../lib /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib/../lib /lib
  libs=-lgdbm -lgdbm_compat -ldb -ldl -lm -lpthread -lc -lcrypt
  perllibs=-ldl -lm -lpthread -lc -lcrypt
  libc=libc-2.28.so
  so=so
  useshrplib=true
  libperl=libperl.so.5.26
  gnulibc_version='2.28'
  Dynamic Linking​:
  dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs
  dlext=so
  d_dlsymun=undef
  ccdlflags='-Wl,-E'
  cccdlflags='-fPIC'
  lddlflags='-shared -L/usr/local/lib -fstack-protector-strong'

Locally applied patches​:
  DEBPKG​:debian/cpan_definstalldirs - Provide a sensible INSTALLDIRS default for modules installed from CPAN.
  DEBPKG​:debian/db_file_ver - https://bugs.debian.org/340047 Remove overly restrictive DB_File version check.
  DEBPKG​:debian/doc_info - Replace generic man(1) instructions with Debian-specific information.
  DEBPKG​:debian/enc2xs_inc - https://bugs.debian.org/290336 Tweak enc2xs to follow symlinks and ignore missing @​INC directories.
  DEBPKG​:debian/errno_ver - https://bugs.debian.org/343351 Remove Errno version check due to upgrade problems with long-running processes.
  DEBPKG​:debian/libperl_embed_doc - https://bugs.debian.org/186778 Note that libperl-dev package is required for embedded linking
  DEBPKG​:fixes/respect_umask - Respect umask during installation
  DEBPKG​:debian/writable_site_dirs - Set umask approproately for site install directories
  DEBPKG​:debian/extutils_set_libperl_path - EU​:MM​: set location of libperl.a under /usr/lib
  DEBPKG​:debian/no_packlist_perllocal - Don't install .packlist or perllocal.pod for perl or vendor
  DEBPKG​:debian/fakeroot - Postpone LD_LIBRARY_PATH evaluation to the binary targets.
  DEBPKG​:debian/instmodsh_doc - Debian policy doesn't install .packlist files for core or vendor.
  DEBPKG​:debian/ld_run_path - Remove standard libs from LD_RUN_PATH as per Debian policy.
  DEBPKG​:debian/libnet_config_path - Set location of libnet.cfg to /etc/perl/Net as /usr may not be writable.
  DEBPKG​:debian/perlivp - https://bugs.debian.org/510895 Make perlivp skip include directories in /usr/local
  DEBPKG​:debian/deprecate-with-apt - https://bugs.debian.org/747628 Point users to Debian packages of deprecated core modules
  DEBPKG​:debian/squelch-locale-warnings - https://bugs.debian.org/508764 Squelch locale warnings in Debian package maintainer scripts
  DEBPKG​:debian/patchlevel - https://bugs.debian.org/567489 List packaged patches for 5.26.2-7ubuntu0.1 in patchlevel.h
  DEBPKG​:fixes/document_makemaker_ccflags - https://bugs.debian.org/628522 [rt.cpan.org #68613] Document that CCFLAGS should include $Config{ccflags}
  DEBPKG​:debian/find_html2text - https://bugs.debian.org/640479 Configure CPAN​::Distribution with correct name of html2text
  DEBPKG​:debian/perl5db-x-terminal-emulator.patch - https://bugs.debian.org/668490 Invoke x-terminal-emulator rather than xterm in perl5db.pl
  DEBPKG​:debian/cpan-missing-site-dirs - https://bugs.debian.org/688842 Fix CPAN​::FirstTime defaults with nonexisting site dirs if a parent is writable
  DEBPKG​:fixes/memoize_storable_nstore - [rt.cpan.org #77790] https://bugs.debian.org/587650 Memoize​::Storable​: respect 'nstore' option not respected
  DEBPKG​:debian/makemaker-pasthru - https://bugs.debian.org/758471 Pass LD settings through to subdirectories
  DEBPKG​:debian/makemaker-manext - https://bugs.debian.org/247370 Make EU​::MakeMaker honour MANnEXT settings in generated manpage headers
  DEBPKG​:debian/kfreebsd-softupdates - https://bugs.debian.org/796798 Work around Debian Bug#796798
  DEBPKG​:fixes/autodie-scope - https://bugs.debian.org/798096 Fix a scoping issue with "no autodie" and the "system" sub
  DEBPKG​:fixes/memoize-pod - [rt.cpan.org #89441] Fix POD errors in Memoize
  DEBPKG​:debian/hurd-softupdates - https://bugs.debian.org/822735 Fix t/op/stat.t failures on hurd
  DEBPKG​:fixes/math_complex_doc_great_circle - https://bugs.debian.org/697567 [rt.cpan.org #114104] Math​::Trig​: clarify definition of great_circle_midpoint
  DEBPKG​:fixes/math_complex_doc_see_also - https://bugs.debian.org/697568 [rt.cpan.org #114105] Math​::Trig​: add missing SEE ALSO
  DEBPKG​:fixes/math_complex_doc_angle_units - https://bugs.debian.org/731505 [rt.cpan.org #114106] Math​::Trig​: document angle units
  DEBPKG​:fixes/cpan_web_link - https://bugs.debian.org/367291 CPAN​: Add link to main CPAN web site
  DEBPKG​:fixes/time_piece_doc - https://bugs.debian.org/817925 Time​::Piece​: Improve documentation for add_months and add_years
  DEBPKG​:fixes/extutils_makemaker_reproducible - https​://bugs.debian.org/835815 https://bugs.debian.org/834190 Make perllocal.pod files reproducible
  DEBPKG​:fixes/file_path_hurd_errno - File-Path​: Fix test failure in Hurd due to hard-coded ENOENT
  DEBPKG​:debian/hppa_op_optimize_workaround - https://bugs.debian.org/838613 Temporarily lower the optimization of op.c on hppa due to gcc-6 problems
  DEBPKG​:debian/installman-utf8 - https://bugs.debian.org/840211 Generate man pages with UTF-8 characters
  DEBPKG​:fixes/file_path_chmod_race - https://bugs.debian.org/863870 [rt.cpan.org #121951] Prevent directory chmod race attack.
  DEBPKG​:fixes/extutils_file_path_compat - Correct the order of tests of chmod(). (#294)
  DEBPKG​:fixes/getopt-long-2 - [rt.cpan.org #120300] Withdraw part of commit 5d9947fb445327c7299d8beb009d609bc70066c0, which tries to implement more GNU getopt_long campatibility. GNU
  DEBPKG​:fixes/getopt-long-3 - provide a default value for optional arguments
  DEBPKG​:fixes/getopt-long-4 - https://bugs.debian.org/864544 [rt.cpan.org #122068] Fix issue #122068.
  DEBPKG​:fixes/test-builder-reset - https://bugs.debian.org/865894 Reset inside subtest maintains parent
  DEBPKG​:debian/hppa_opmini_optimize_workaround - https://bugs.debian.org/869122 Lower the optimization level of opmini.c on hppa
  DEBPKG​:debian/sh4_op_optimize_workaround - https://bugs.debian.org/869373 Also lower the optimization level of op.c and opmini.c on sh4
  DEBPKG​:fixes/json-pp-example - [rt.cpan.org #92793] https://bugs.debian.org/871837 fix RT-92793​: bug in SYNOPSIS
  DEBPKG​:debian/perldoc-pager - https://bugs.debian.org/870340 [rt.cpan.org #120229] Fix perldoc terminal escapes when sensible-pager is less
  DEBPKG​:debian/prune_libs - https://bugs.debian.org/128355 Prune the list of libraries wanted to what we actually need.
  DEBPKG​:fixes/rename-filexp.U-phase1 - regen-configure​: rename filexp.U to filexp_path.U, phase 1
  DEBPKG​:fixes/rename-filexp.U-phase2 - regen-configure​: rename filexp.U to filexp_path.U, phase 2
  DEBPKG​:fixes/packaging_test_skips - Skip various tests if PERL_BUILD_PACKAGING is set
  DEBPKG​:debian/mod_paths - Tweak @​INC ordering for Debian
  DEBPKG​:fixes/encode-alias-regexp - https​://bugs.debian.org/880085 fix dankogai/p5-encode#127
  DEBPKG​:fixes/CVE-2018-6797-testcase - [perl #132227] (perl #132227) restart a node if we change to uni rules within the node and encounter a sharp S
  DEBPKG​:fixes/test-printf-null - https://bugs.debian.org/893601 Fix pointer to integer cast in null_printf check
  DEBPKG​:debian/configure-regen - https://bugs.debian.org/762638 Regenerate Configure et al. after probe unit changes
  DEBPKG​:fixes/CVE-2018-12015-Archive-Tar-directory-traversal - https://bugs.debian.org/900834 [rt.cpan.org #125523] Remove existing files before overwriting them
  DEBPKG​:debian/gdbm-fatal - [perl #133295] https://bugs.debian.org/904005 Temporarily skip GDBM_File fatal.t for gdbm >= 1.15 compatibility
  DEBPKG​:fixes/CVE-2018-18311.patch - [PATCH] Perl_my_setenv(); handle integer wrap
  DEBPKG​:fixes/CVE-2018-18312.patch - [PATCH 242/242] PATCH​: [perl #133423] for 5.26 maint
  DEBPKG​:fixes/CVE-2018-18313.patch - [PATCH] regcomp.c​: Convert some strchr to memchr
  DEBPKG​:fixes/CVE-2018-18314.patch - [PATCH] fix #131649 - extended charclass can trigger assert

@​INC for perl 5.26.2​:
  /home/jima/lib/perl
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/5.26.2/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/5.26.2
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5
  /etc/perl
  /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.26.2
  /usr/local/share/perl/5.26.2
  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.26
  /usr/share/perl5
  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.26
  /usr/share/perl/5.26
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/5.26.1
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/5.26.0
  /home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/5.26.0/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  /usr/local/lib/site_perl
  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base

Environment for perl 5.26.2​:
  HOME=/home/jima
  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
  LANGUAGE (unset)
  LC_COLLATE=C
  LD_LIBRARY_PATH (unset)
  LOGDIR (unset)
  PATH=/home/jima/.local/bin​:/home/jima/perl5/bin​:/home/jima/bin​:/home/jima/jima_tools/x86_64/bin​:/home/jima/jima_tools/bin​:/opt/Qt/5.12.1/gcc_64/bin​:/opt/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin​:/usr/bin​:/bin​:/usr/sbin​:/sbin​:/usr/bin/X11​:/usr/local/bin​:/usr/local/sbin​:/usr/games​:/usr/local/games​:/snap/bin​:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin​:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin​:.
  PERL5LIB=/home/jima/lib/perl​:/home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi​:/home/jima/perl5/lib/perl5
  PERL_BADLANG (unset)
  PERL_LOCAL_LIB_ROOT=/home/jima/perl5
  PERL_MB_OPT=--install_base /home/jima/perl5
  PERL_MM_OPT=INSTALL_BASE=/home/jima/perl5
  SHELL=/bin/bash

From @jimav

Unrelatedly​: The Devel​::Peek pod says

  The addresses inside IV() are addresses of "X***"
  structures which hold the current state of an "SV".

Looking at Perl_do_sv_dump(), the value inside the (parens) is
just SvANY(sv), so the pod could say something like

  The address inside IV() is used to compute where (roughtly
  speaking) the value is stored inside the SV. See sv.h.

From @jkeenan

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 21​:51​:31 GMT, jim.avera@​gmail.com wrote​:

This is a bug report for perl from jim.avera@​gmail.com,
generated with the help of perlbug 1.40 running under perl 5.26.2.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
The pod for Devel​::Peek contains many illustrations of references
where the RV value is different than the "at ..." address of the
referenced thing. For example​:

"A reference to a simple scalar

use Devel​::Peek;
$a = 42;
$b = \$a;
Dump $b;

The output​:
SV = IV(0xf041c) at 0xbe9a0
REFCNT = 1
FLAGS = (ROK)
RV = 0xbab08
SV = IV(0xbe860) at 0xbe9a8 ### Not the same as 0xbab08 !?!
REFCNT = 2
FLAGS = (IOK,pIOK)
IV = 42

[snip]

Grepping the source code ...

#####
$ grep -nA1 -E 'RV\s+=\s+' ext/Devel-Peek/Peek.pm
319​: RV = 0xbab08
320- SV = IV(0xbe860) at 0xbe9a8
--
350​: RV = 0xc70de8
351- SV = PVAV(0xc71e10) at 0xc70de8
--
381​: RV = 0x1577de8
382- SV = PVAV(0x1578e10) at 0x1577de8
--
417​: RV = 0x55cb50b2b758
418- SV = PVHV(0x55cb50b319c0) at 0x55cb50b2b758
--
472​: RV = 0xb8ad8
473- SV = PVMG(0xbb3c8) at 0xc859a0
--
493​: RV = 0xb8ad8
494- SV = PVMG(0xbb3c8) at 0xc859a0
--
508​: RV = 0x24e79d8
509- SV = PVCV(0x24e5798) at 0x24e79d8
#####

The situations that appear to be problematic are the pairs of line starting at lines 319, 472 and 493. The other four pairs appear to be okay per your criterion.

Would you be able to draw a patch, preferably against perl 5 blead, changing the same code in those three instances?

(Note​: I'm proceeding on the assumption that your criticism is valid. I don't know enough about Devel​::Peek to confirm or deny that; others will have to make that call.)

Thank you very much.

--
James E Keenan (jkeenan@​cpan.org)

The RT System itself - Status changed from 'new' to 'open'

From @jkeenan

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 21​:51​:31 GMT, jim.avera@​gmail.com wrote​:

This is a bug report for perl from jim.avera@​gmail.com,
generated with the help of perlbug 1.40 running under perl 5.26.2.

The pod for Devel​::Peek contains many illustrations of references
where the RV value is different than the "at ..." address of the
referenced thing. For example​:
"A reference to a simple scalar
use Devel​::Peek;
$a = 42;
$b = $a;
Dump $b;
The output​:
SV = IV(0xf041c) at 0xbe9a0
REFCNT = 1
FLAGS = (ROK)
RV = 0xbab08
SV = IV(0xbe860) at 0xbe9a8 ### Not the same as 0xbab08 !?!
REFCNT = 2
FLAGS = (IOK,pIOK)
IV = 42

[snip]

Grepping the source code ...

$ grep -nA1 -E 'RV\s+=\s+' ext/Devel-Peek/Peek.pm 319​: RV = 0xbab08 320- SV = IV(0xbe860) at 0xbe9a8 -- 350​: RV = 0xc70de8 351- SV = PVAV(0xc71e10) at 0xc70de8 -- 381​: RV = 0x1577de8 382- SV = PVAV(0x1578e10) at 0x1577de8 -- 417​: RV = 0x55cb50b2b758 418- SV = PVHV(0x55cb50b319c0) at 0x55cb50b2b758 -- 472​: RV = 0xb8ad8 473- SV = PVMG(0xbb3c8) at 0xc859a0 -- 493​: RV = 0xb8ad8 494- SV = PVMG(0xbb3c8) at 0xc859a0 -- 508​: RV = 0x24e79d8 509- SV = PVCV(0x24e5798) at 0x24e79d8

The situations that appear to be problematic are the pairs of line starting at lines 319, 472 and 493. The other four pairs appear to be okay per your criterion.

Would you be able to draw a patch, preferably against perl 5 blead, changing the same code in those three instances?

(Note​: I'm proceeding on the assumption that your criticism is valid. I don't know enough about Devel​::Peek to confirm or deny that; others will have to make that call.)

Thank you very much.

-- James E Keenan (jkeenan@​cpan.org)

@jimav, there's been no discussion in this ticket in more than 3 years. Is this still a problem for you?