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Id: 70369
Status: resolved
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Queue: perl5

Owner: rjbs <rjbs [at]>
Requestors: pjf [at]

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Subject: [META] Needs expert assessment for 5.12
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:37:59 +1100 (EST)
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From: pjf [...] (Paul Fenwick)
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This meta-ticket exists to track tickets that have been assessed by a triage volunteer as being a potential candidate for inclusion the 5.12 release of Perl, but which requires an expert assessment.
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Is this ticket still useful? -doy
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Subject: Re: [perl #70369] [META] Needs expert assessment for 5.12.0
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:15:52 +0100
To: Jesse Luehrs via RT <perlbug-followup [...]>
From: Nicholas Clark <nick [...]>
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On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 09:34:49AM -0700, Jesse Luehrs via RT wrote: Show quoted text
> Is this ticket still useful?
Not with that subject :-) But what we are missing is any sort of structure whereby anyone competent can triage tickets, and mark those that are "seemingly valid, but I know I don't know enough about this area to be sure". I think that that was the intent of this ticket, and that intent is still useful. However, it will expose a second problem, which is that for significant chunks of the core, *no-one* is immediately competent to assess the relevant detail of the ticket. This holds for both bug reports, and patches. For the latter, often it takes the "expert" a similar amount of time to validate and understand the problem as the original patch author took on it. I'm not sure how to solve that. The codebase is both very big and very tightly coupled, which means that the whole doesn't fit inside anyone's head. And most people working on it are not doing it anything like full time, which means that their heads have to contain a bunch of other stuff. 20 people doing 2 hours a week (if *only* we had 20 people. Dream on) is as similar to 1 person for 40 hours as the mythical 9 women making a baby in one month. (Just) money isn't solving this. Nicholas Clark
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On Tue Jul 10 04:16:26 2012, nicholas wrote: Show quoted text
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 09:34:49AM -0700, Jesse Luehrs via RT wrote:
> > Is this ticket still useful?
> > Not with that subject :-)
I don't think this ticket is useful at all. If its subject was "tickets needing assessment by expert in {regex,optrees,XS}" or something, maybe. It's too much "hard tickets," now that it does not relate to any specific (like blocking v5.12.0) Has anyone found this ticket of use in the past three years? I am closing this ticket for now. If it should be re-opened, convince me.
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Resolved as per threat. -- rjbs

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